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4in+ front suspension lift....alignment..????

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by Moots1288 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:20 pm

Hisis like the marks 2.5 style using the stock strut mount
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by Tenny » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:36 pm

Moots1288 wrote:He's is like the marks 2.5 style using the stock strut mount


YES....exactly like marks 2.5 kit

only the spring spacer is slightly larger in width.
the strut spacer (on top) is 1/2in wide.

I like marks 2.5 kit

I DO NOT like the 3in

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by jonbo2002 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:39 pm

Tenny wrote:
Moots1288 wrote:He's is like the marks 2.5 style using the stock strut mount


YES....exactly like marks 2.5 kit

only the spring spacer is slightly larger in width.
the strut spacer (on top) is 1/2in wide.

I like marks 2.5 kit

I DO NOT like the 3in

:hissyfit:


Ah I have been mistaken again lol
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by ErikSS » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:43 pm

I just looked over the Supreme Ebay add. I'm not convinced I know why Tenny bought it. Free can opener and sticker with every purchase!!!
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by Tenny » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:50 pm

ErikSS wrote:I just looked over the Supreme Ebay add. I'm not convinced I know why Tenny bought it. Free can opener and sticker with every purchase!!!



lmaoo, my wife put it on her keychain....

seriously...??? 1...I wanted the height 2...the price was competitive 3....it was something different

im a big believer in taking the "OTHER ROAD"....

ehhh.....I is what I is sir.

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by fishsticks » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:06 pm

Not to toot my own horn, but I wheeled the piss out of a $149 Rough Country kit for years. Front wheels left the ground a lot. No bushing failures. I sold the kit to another member here with the original bushings and to my knowledge he's still using them.

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DirtyBacon04 wrote:My curiosity is how is one polyurethane stronger than another? Or are you using a different material for your bushing? The error with BDS bushings was the top washer being to small in diameter and the constant force of full extension eventually will tear into the poly. Then the middle bushing will wear; then the center sleeve will get eaten through by the threads of the shock; once there's no more sleeve, it's into the upper strut mount. I thought we had solved the problem with BDS (in theory) byusing a a bigger top washer...


There is a measurement known as durometer that could plays heavily into the longevity of those bushings.
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by HARDTRAILZ » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:07 pm

Tenny wrote:
Moots1288 wrote:He's is like the marks 2.5 style using the stock strut mount


YES....exactly like marks 2.5 kit

only the spring spacer is slightly larger in width.
the strut spacer (on top) is 1/2in wide.

I like marks 2.5 kit

I DO NOT like the 3in

:hissyfit:


I personally had issues with this style you have and thus went from the 2.5 to the 3 and never looked back. The style you have is not as stout, not due to material or bushing, but design.
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by The Roadie » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:53 pm

OEM rubber mounts have been proven to be not bulletproof when wheeled hard. Claims from folks who haven't wheeled them hard are just not qualified claims. Sorry. Spacer robustness isn't sufficient.
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by Moots1288 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:55 pm

Just got a text message from another V7guy that another members rubber mount ripped in half and the shock is just sitting inside of the spring and the lower a arm is the only thing holding the spring in tacked.. Not so bullet proof
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by HARDTRAILZ » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:59 pm

I seen it...month old n failed.
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by Trail X » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:05 am

Donny, I thought it was your lift block that cracked out and had to be re welded? Maybe it was another.
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by Moots1288 » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:06 am

HARDTRAILZ wrote:I seen it...month old n failed.
yup.. They were mine and I had them in my truck 2 weeks until I got my radflos, and he had it in his truck a month and hasn't even driven it everyday.
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by fishsticks » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:10 am

JamesDowning wrote:Donny, I thought it was your lift block that cracked out and had to be re welded? Maybe it was another.



That was Damien's. IIRC a weld failed.
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by v7guy » Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:56 am

The Roadie wrote:OEM rubber mounts have been proven to be not bulletproof when wheeled hard. Claims from folks who haven't wheeled them hard are just not qualified claims. Sorry. Spacer robustness isn't sufficient.


Yeah, like Kyle and Matt posted, the stock rubber mount in James02s truck failed. He has the same style of lift that Tenny posted. The metal sleeve the shock goes through completely ripped out. The rubber didn't delaminate from the sleeve either, it actually ripped. Can't say I ever saw anything quite like it. Getting a new mount in the morning and gonna button it back up.


When I first saw the lift kit Tenny posted I got a little excited cause it looked like the piece of aluminum in the bottom of the pic might be bearings to replace the rubber mount. It's too bad they aren't. I'm guessing they're spacers that go on the shock to replace the stack of washers many of us have been using.


Personally I like the 3" lift mark sells, it's simple and it's one piece. I do wish there was a different shock mounting option though cause I've had no luck keeping a rubber bushing in it for any length of time and there isn't a poly version of the bushing he uses available.
I'm not sure why some of us have the problem and some don't. It's a bummer.
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by Tenny » Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:38 am

I will sure agree that NO OEM or aftermarket mount or bushing is going to be "bullet proof"

just wonrdering where anybody said such a thing..???

as far as a SOLID spacers in a lift kit..??? BULLET PROOF

just saying

yea J, those are the remedy for the "washer mod" exactly right
I had to take mine back out because the extra droop caused some slight CV bind.
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by JorDaneeKey » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:23 am

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by mikekey » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:33 am

Tenny wrote:just wonrdering where anybody said such a thing..???

as far as a SOLID spacers in a lift kit..??? BULLET PROOF

just saying




Actually just for the clarification you said "indestructible", TheRoadie used bulletproof and then several others members followed up on how the bushing is not bullet proof.

Tenny wrote:
weary of what...???

the kit is all SOILD machined aluminum pieces front and rear.

I don't EVER seeing this product failing, from what I see its indestructible

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevy-Trailblaz ... 1219425234


Tenny wrote:I hope you don't mind me being blunt with you....

YOUR KIT FAILED, BECAUSE HE USED A CHEAP BUSHING......

MY kit are SOILD pieces, and are simply indestructible....period


The Roadie wrote:Please post a pic of the upper shock mount on your design. Would love to understand how we can modify ours to be bulletproof.


To which point you then admitted that your kit uses the stock bushing which is the part that fails.

Tenny wrote:
The Roadie wrote:Waiting for the upper mount pics.


I used factory mounts, what don't you understand...???

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by Tenny » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:56 am

wow...you are sharper than I thought...


did MY STRUT MOUNT COME IN MY LIFT KIT...???

hmmmm, maybe you should rethink your way of interpreting
what people are saying..

I IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM SAID "MY FACTORY STRUTS MOUNTS
ARE INDESTRUCTABLE".....in fact, what I said was..."my lift kit, (which is
100% soild piece aluminum), is indestructible" my MOUNTS did not come with
my kit....if you had a brain you would see that SIR!!!

now, I know you wish So very badly to get one on me, haha but will never
happen....EVER

prove me wrong and ill bow out gracefully...

you cant do it.
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by mikekey » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:07 pm

Nice job back peddling there. You get a gold star.
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by Tenny » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:11 pm

mikekey wrote:So nice job back peddling there. You get a gold star.



I never claimed anything about anything BUT the kit that I got.

the strut is ALSO factory and the kits uses it....does that mean
the kit can fail...???....no it doesn't

so stop trying to put a rabbit outta yo azz, and go play in the yard kiddo.

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