4in+ front suspension lift....alignment..????

[NC_IslandRunner]

Its part of the jeep thing

Welcome!

[fishsticks]

What the //// happened in here?

I ran about 4.5" front lift. Just shy of CV bind. 88 springs+2" inside spacer+5/8" outside spacer.

I could get the camber and toe close in my driveway, shop had no trouble. My caster was always out though.

Flip your UCAs and find a real alignment shop that's not full of jackoffs. That disqualifies most tire shops.

[Tenny]

caster I don't mind...

I just wanted to know, if the camber would eat my new tires
on these trucks with our lifts...that's all

thank you for your reply.

I will get it done sunday, and post the print out or screen.

thanks

[Cable810]

This thread is truly sad.... It took how many pages before he finally got his answer. How many lurkers are reading/following this thread and are probably never going to sign up cause of our reactions in this thread. C'mon people.

[drburke]

(Suspected) troll provides proof? Is this real life? This had to of broken some Internet rule.

To be honest, had he of said "can a lift consisting of marks 3" and 88s be aligned" this fiasco would have lasted a page, maybe two. Furthermore had he of read some build threads (hardtrailz, fishsticks, v7,etc), he would have found many members run that setup without alignment issue. The whole 4" lift threw everyone off and set the cannons loose.

OP, you never responded: do you have spacers yet, and have you flipped the ucas?

[DirtyBacon04]

or german...

[Tenny]

(Suspected) troll provides proof? Is this real life? This had to of broken some Internet rule.

To be honest, had he of said "can a lift consisting of marks 3" and 88s be aligned" this fiasco would have lasted a page, maybe two. Furthermore had he of read some build threads (hardtrailz, fishsticks, v7,etc), he would have found many members run that setup without alignment issue. The whole 4" lift threw everyone off and set the cannons loose.

OP, you never responded: do you have spacers yet, and have you flipped the ucas?

to be honest, then maybe they are the only ones who should have responded
to my thread, as they were the ONLY ones who actually gave me a straight
answer.

and yes I have spacers

I have the supreme suspension 3in front and rear kit. with 88s
and a smaller shim/spacer on the base of the strut as well
allowing alittle more compression.

I also did the rear, by put the 3in spacer up on top the spring, instead of the bottom.

I thought I looked very bad to look under the truck and see that spacer in the rear.
and it worked perfectly fine.

upper a arms will be flipped, along with replacement of upper and lower balljoint.
HDmoog. before alignment.

[mikekey]

Question, who makes the parts for the Supreme Suspension. That's not a company a lot of us have experience with, and all I can find is an ebay store for the company. A number of us have had problems with the upper strut bushing failing, so that might be something you run into with the extra inch.

[HARDTRAILZ]

I ran my rear spacers up top as well. Looked cleaner, but now run the Skyjacker cr25 springs with no spacer.

The supreme lift looks like Marks old style lift. I know we have at least one other member running it. Not sure it is really a 3 inch, but 2.5-2.75 like marks gives. What material are the spacer made from? They even offer a body and suspension combo as a 6 inch lift on ebay.

You may want to do the 3/4 ton tie rods while you are doing the ball joints and alignment. Not much more work and a solid upgrade.

[Tenny]

it gave me actually over 3in with 85springs. like 3 and 8th

then I used a 5/8 spacer at the base of the strut and 88s for another inch.

its made from a high impact abs plastic. what the inside of plastic
bumpers on cars are made with, very strong and light weight.

we have this stuff laying all over, so I made some simple pucks
to help compress our springs for more lift.

[bartonmd]

I ran my rear spacers up top as well. Looked cleaner, but now run the Skyjacker cr25 springs with no spacer.

The supreme lift looks like Marks old style lift. I know we have at least one other member running it. Not sure it is really a 3 inch, but 2.5-2.75 like marks gives. What material are the spacer made from? They even offer a body and suspension combo as a 6 inch lift on ebay.

You may want to do the 3/4 ton tie rods while you are doing the ball joints and alignment. Not much more work and a solid upgrade.

Having done the CAD drawings on Mark's/Jeff's body lift, those parts on ebay are like EXACT copies of Mark/Jeff's body lift brackets.

Mike

[v7guy]

Tenny,

Just to give you a quick rundown,

We have a solid history here of requiring people to search for their answers. For the obvious reason that we don't need the forum clogged up with 1294 threads about "how do I lift/align/mod my truck yo". The thought being that if someone can't do a little research and form their opinions, then maybe ask questions (almost all basic questions are answered in our stickies and a smidge of searching), then I don't want them on the trail trying to help me when things go REALLY wrong. You need to have a knowledge beyond "the instructions said do this so I can get higher" to be effective when stuff goes wrong in the middle of nowhere. Given your experience I have no doubt you understand where we're coming from.

Concerning the responses you got, we don't know you, your history, your experience, or the practical application of the knowledge you have. So accordingly we're skeptical. Your original question seems like a relatively basic question, so asking it and then claiming to be a cert mechanic really brings on the hazing. It specifically brings on the hazing because we have a sticky about flipping the upper control arms answering your questions. It has the procedure, the reason, and alignment results from many members with a variety of combos. We expect people will read the stickies, they're there for a reason (this isn't like most forums). Sometimes they meander a bit, but there is years of knowledge and experience there. A lot of us have spent a tremendous amount of time, effort and money documenting stuff for others for no other reason than to help out. If people don't read it then we get the impression they really don't care about our contributions.

We're a small forum, we've recently been trying to make things a little bit easier on the new guys while still expecting a bit of work from the newb. You'll notice the SME guys, they're very knowledgeable and experienced fellas with a lot of time with the platform. Listen to what they say and take the info in with a healthy dose of confidence. Our most vocal members, despite how abrasive they may be at times, are also full of experience and knowledge and many of them give you a hard time cause they got the same treatment when they asked similar basic questions. It's part of the culture here and it largely weeds out the people that don't belong here. It's mostly a good thing.

I'm glad you joined up and look forward to your contributions, but you still have a bit of reading to do. You obviously have a thick skin and a decent sense of humor. You'll fit right in.

[james02]

Tenny...There's a few of us in NY, I'll buy you a coffee if we ever meet!! Anyhow, I'm praying to have my tires on this weekend....Same size, but not as much of a lift...I plan to cut...

[v7guy]

Tenny, why haven't you updated your location?

[Tenny]

yea J, im well aware of the rules of the forums.... as I am a moderator
of a very high socity bodybuilding forum. with lots of traffic. for the past 9 years.

and we preach the same thing.


im at work now, will update later.

[Tenny]

Tenny...There's a few of us in NY, I'll buy you a coffee if we ever meet!! Anyhow, I'm praying to have my tires on this weekend....Same size, but not as much of a lift...I plan to cut...

yea man, would be great...

id be willing to help anyone around the area with builds, as I have ALLL
the tools, and a wall mounted strut compressor, as well as access to
an alignment machine.

lemme know if you need help cutting.

im in Suffolk co.

[Tenny]

Question, who makes the parts for the Supreme Suspension. That's not a company a lot of us have experience with, and all I can find is an ebay store for the company. A number of us have had problems with the upper strut bushing failing, so that might be something you run into with the extra inch.

Not sure who actually produces for them.

but, from the lit. they set me with the kit, its all done IN HOUSE.
as they had pics of CNC machines, and big warehouse and a slew of workers.

ive seen a number of kits first hand, (high quality, and NOT so high quality)
and they have a product that looks pretty soild, all aluminum and, powder
coated. so far im happy with them. and the whole kit was 179.00shipped!!

I don't plan on wheelin the hell out of my truck, like I said, some small trails
beach, dunes, slightly wooded (camping)that's it.....I don't plan on the wheels
ever leaving the ground. lol

[mikekey]

Several of us have had damage from light wheeling, myself included, mine went before the 35's went on the truck. And I know there has been mention and warning to stay away from one of the kits, I believe Ready Lift. And one member who purchased an ebay kit had worse damage. Which is what lead to my question. Most everyone here has experience with Mark's kit or BDS or the Radflo's. If there is another quality company with competitive price, I'm sure some of the newer members would like to know.

Then again, others like James have had no problems over multiple years. No one has been able to hammer down a cause yet either. Could just be luck of the draw. Something to check from time to time. Since repairing mine, I occasionally check it. I'm moving to radflo's once they arrive.

[drburke]

...and the whole kit was 179.00shipped!!

I'm curious where the price reduction is at, production or profits. If it's the former, I'd be weary.. and that's the likely case. From what I hear through the grapevine, Mark doesn't have very much of a profit margin on his products as it is.

Also, the pamphlets don't mean shit. Just because they took some pretty photos and use persuasive language doesn't mean it's their factory or their workers. Advertising can be quite deceptive. For instance, look at Anchor motor mounts for our trucks. Their website swears up and down they're within OEM specs and shows off their production process, how nice, organized, and professional they are and their product is. Yet, it's complete junk.

[mikekey]

Yeah, what company do we all know that produces a garbage front bumper that doesn't fit that is using a picture of JamesDownings heavily modified front bumper claiming it's the finished product you'll receive. I know they change their name once a month so it's hard to keep up with, lol.But good points drburke