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Regear? Or look at another platform?

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by 03envoy » Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:38 am

After getting my 265-70-17's put on I was to excited to notice the substantial lack of power with my 3.42's. I was using my landscaping trailer and had about 3,000lbs in it and I struggled. Even without the trailer it's rough getting up to speed. Is swapping to 4.10's worth it? Or should I be looking for something in the gmt800 range....? I'm leaning toward a 2500 but if I can save some money and make it work without spending to much id like too. What's your thoughts?

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by NC_IslandRunner » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:12 am

Regear, your truck has all the power it needs, you just have to help it get to the ground. Plus it's cheaper than buying a new truck.
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by v7guy » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:26 am

Gears make a pretty dramatic difference. Regear it and call it a day.
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by djthumper » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:39 am

Regear and retune
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by HARDTRAILZ » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:50 am

4.56
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by Aries » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:33 pm

HARDTRAILZ wrote:4.56

Why :scratch:
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by HARDTRAILZ » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:51 pm

Due to pulling 3000 lbs plus another 500-1000 lbs for trailer itself. 4.10 is a stock gearing and with the bigger 32 inch tires and towing...lower than stock is easily preferable.

I would still like 4.56.
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by ErikSS » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:13 pm

Did I read somewhere that it is actually less expensive to go 4.56 than 4.10?
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by HARDTRAILZ » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:36 pm

I really don't see how unless you do the gear setups yourself.
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by ErikSS » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:44 pm

What I remember is that the front is getting stupid expensive for 4.10's... And there is no cost difference in the rear, you just choose 4.10 or 4.56. So the front is the only difference. I dunno, seems like MikeKey said something. I should just ask him.

Of coarse, this is assuming someone is choosing to change front and rear gears anyway.
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by HARDTRAILZ » Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:14 pm

I bought 4.10 to avoid the $500 in setup costs... No way to avoid that fee with 4.56 but you can buy front and rear with 4.10.

Fronts w 4.10s were just posted on here for about 300...some place with a bunch of them.

Figure under 1000 for 4.10 completes with no setup or 4.56 plus install kits and setups and you are there and if you have a standard WB I6 you have to buy a rear axle. Easily over $1000, likely $1500.
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by mikekey » Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:45 pm

$500 setup is if you can't do it yourself. And even then, that seems extremely steep.

I bought my front 4.10 for $250 off a forum member and then sold it to Chris for $220, they're pretty reasonable.

Getting a 4.10 axle in 8.6 is expensive according to car-part and if you want an SS rear end that's $1000 in itself most of the time. I have seen some really good prices though in a few places, patience probably helps if replacing the rear axle at a reasonable cost. Comes down to how good of a price/deal hunter you are.

It is cheaper to buy the 8.6 in 3.42 and swap in 4.56 and rear-gear the front IMO than to buy a 4.10 rear axle for $800 and then another $300 for the front diff (still $1100) and later decide you want 4.56.

If you can set it up yourself, then I honestly think 4.56 could be done for cheaper than getting a 4.10 axle. Gearing isn't that difficult if you can handle setting the backlash. But you can F*** it up bad if you don't have a clue.

Unless you just want to upgrade your standard axle with 4.10's. That's probably cheapest. I dunno. I think I'm rambling now. Been low on sleep.
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by Aries » Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:25 pm

HARDTRAILZ wrote:Due to pulling 3000 lbs plus another 500-1000 lbs for trailer itself. 4.10 is a stock gearing and with the bigger 32 inch tires and towing...lower than stock is easily preferable.

I would still like 4.56.

Just getting your idea on 456's. I already have the 4.56 gears to do my change just waiting for a call from a friends shop to get them done, but I have been second guessing thinking 4:10. My goal is to go 35's but it may take some time do to the cost of some unexpected repairs. So with the H3 wheels 285/75 are it.

This is one site I was looking at with their tire/gear chart http://www.superlift.com/library/gears.asp

HARDTRAILZ wrote:Figure under 1000 for 4.10 completes with no setup or 4.56 plus install kits and setups and you are there and if you have a standard WB I6 you have to buy a rear axle. Easily over $1000, likely $1500.

With the Yukon gears:
  • Rear gears-$260
  • Pinion install kit- $93
  • Non Slip-$435
  • Front gears-$198
  • I'm still trying to piece together an install kit for the front. The Yukon GM 7.2 IFS kit is $279
  • A friends setting up my rear axle for $200 (he has a lift and heated shop)
  • I have a spare front differential so I'll be setting up the front myself and using his shop to install it?
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by Chango » Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:34 pm

http://www.houseofautoparts.com/
Just got mine here. Said he had 6 more 4.10's on the shelf. $265 otd. Said he could ship too.
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by HARDTRAILZ » Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:45 pm

$500 SS rear are fairly common around here. I got under $1000 in 4.10 swap including locker and carrier n such. I did shop for long time to get what I wanted at good prices but $1000 buys SS front and rear fairly often from what I see.

$500 for front and rear diff setup is cheap not steep actually. I regularly see 250-500 per setup. Having setup a couple myself now...I would definitely charge that in labor. Its not difficult per se but is tedious and takes some special tools and skill.
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by 03envoy » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:23 am

That's the easier choice for me but then again I worry about other problems that a normal voy isn't use to taking you know? I love the truck but I don't want to put a couple grand in and have something else fail. Not sure what to do.

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by HARDTRAILZ » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:34 am

Honestly...if I were you, I would buy a 3/4 ton.
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by ErikSS » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:49 am

What about putting stock tires back on while you save some money?
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by 03envoy » Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:14 am

Funny you say that my BFG's are sitting in the garage and the voy is on stock trailblazer 16's lmao

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by 03envoy » Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:10 am

HARDTRAILZ wrote:Honestly...if I were you, I would buy a 3/4 ton.



I'm leaning toward that route or buying a 7.3l f350..... Mainly for gas mileage (diesel) and longevity...
My buddy that I work with is picking up a 5.9 cummins for the same work. While my other buddy in construction has a 6.4 powerstroke... Then there's me...lol The worst part is deciding if I go back to stock for the summer and sell my lift and wheel spacers.... That will be dreadful.


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