Offroad Trailblazers and Envoys

Regear? Or look at another platform?

Trailblazer and Envoy related, but not off-road related...

by navigator » Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:11 am

how often do you tow your trailer?

If you use it every day for work, Kyle might be right, another platform might work better for you.
I tow an 18ft bass boat that I would guess is around 3k wet and even with the 32's on 3.42s it does pretty well.
It doesn't do as well as my Suburban with 3.73s but I can pass slow traffic on a 2 lane when needed.
I live in flat country though, and likely only tow 4-6 times per month in the warmer months (March-Oct).
If I was towing it every day, I might look at something more suitable but it works for what I need.

I have 4.10 axles ready to go in pretty soon. I can't decide if I want to put them in during Christmas break(PTO) or wait until after deer season(Jan 1).
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by v7guy » Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:10 am

Chris asks the most pertinent question.

Is this something you do everyday? Once a week?

4500 lbs shouldn't be a big deal with proper gearing even with larger tires. But if you are using your truck for the same thing your co-workers are using 2500 and 3500 trucks for, that should be a big red flag that you're using the wrong tool for the job.
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by HARDTRAILZ » Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:23 am

Diesel may get better MPG but costs more overall. Initial purchase is cheaper. Fuel costs more. Maintenance costs more. Barton had a Cummins and sold it for a 6.0 Chevy 2500. Newer gas motors will easily handle the weight you are talking just as well as a diesel for less cost to you.
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by 03envoy » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:13 pm

Yes initial cost is more, but with the power and never worrying about having to much weight in the bed, the peace of mind will be worth it to me. Last year we had 4k of wet sod in his 2012 ram 1500 hemi's bed and we were scared that was shakey. His cummins we won't have to worry about that to much. I tow about 3-4 days a week, with 3,000 periodically. Then in the winter I have 2 sled trailers to pull and a travel trailer that I currently can't pull because I was to scared to pull it with the voy.... :facepalm:

On another note it's not like I need the room in the voy as I'm 16 and don't have a wife or children.... Lol

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by 03envoy » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:14 pm

navigator wrote:how often do you tow your trailer?

If you use it every day for work, Kyle might be right, another platform might work better for you.
I tow an 18ft bass boat that I would guess is around 3k wet and even with the 32's on 3.42s it does pretty well.
It doesn't do as well as my Suburban with 3.73s but I can pass slow traffic on a 2 lane when needed.
I live in flat country though, and likely only tow 4-6 times per month in the warmer months (March-Oct).
If I was towing it every day, I might look at something more suitable but it works for what I need.

I have 4.10 axles ready to go in pretty soon. I can't decide if I want to put them in during Christmas break(PTO) or wait until after deer season(Jan 1).




Driving north in Michigan, seems to never flatten out to me. Haha

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by jonbo2002 » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:31 pm

03envoy wrote:and a travel trailer that I currently can't pull because I was to scared to pull it with the voy.... :facepalm: -Trent


damn how heavy and how big is that trailer?

Driving north in Michigan, seems to never flatten out to me. Haha

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by 03envoy » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:35 pm

I want to say like 22....? Its in the twenties haven't measured it to be honest. I borrowed a hummer to pull it. But that's when I really could use the truck also...

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by jonbo2002 » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:52 pm

I tow a 30 footer with no problems just needed a brake controller and weight distribution hitch
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by 03envoy » Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:03 pm

It definitely more than 22. But I don't have an aftermarket trans cooler or a weight distribution.

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by jonbo2002 » Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:14 am

I don't have a trans cooler either, Just tow in 3rd and it stays cool. I had a 22' that I didn't need the weight distribution hitch and it was only a 4 pin so no brake controller. I only towed it twice before I sold it but I could do 65 no prob with it on the back and felt completely secure. Now keep in mind I am running stock height and tire size.
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by Shdwdrgn » Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:26 pm

I have a trailer with a loaded weight of over 5,000 pounds (and just a standard hitch), and I tow that up the mountain to Estes Park once a year. Until recently, I had 3.42 gears and 30.6" tires. The only time I had trouble was the first year when I tried to push it too hard, and had to stop half way up to let the engine cool down. This year I drove straight up without needing to stop. I wouldn't want to tow this load ALL the time, but the TB certainly has the power to do it. Now that I have the 4.10's installed, it could probably make the run a lot easier. Sadly, I haven't even taken a drive in the mountains yet since installing those gears.

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