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4in+ front suspension lift....alignment..????

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by drburke » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:59 pm

mikekey wrote:Yeah, what company do we all know that produces a garbage front bumper that doesn't fit


They're about 25 minutes up the road from me. I've talked to a lot of guys around town, and they all love what is formerly Kennesaw. I was at 4WheelParts the other day, and they were recommending people to head over there to get "custom built, tailored to your tastes" bumpers instead of buying an ARB or n-fab in the store. Someone's on the payroll...

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by NC_IslandRunner » Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:18 pm

drburke wrote:
Tenny wrote:...and the whole kit was 179.00shipped!!


I'm curious where the price reduction is at, production or profits. If it's the former, I'd be weary.. and that's the likely case. From what I hear through the grapevine, Mark doesn't have very much of a profit margin on his products as it is.



Mark doesn't make all the parts himself, so that cuts into profits. If you own the machines, parts cost can be cut 50-90%
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by Opeth » Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:19 pm

Tenny wrote:
james02 wrote:Tenny...There's a few of us in NY, I'll buy you a coffee if we ever meet!! Anyhow, I'm praying to have my tires on this weekend....Same size, but not as much of a lift...I plan to cut...


yea man, would be great...

id be willing to help anyone around the area with builds, as I have ALLL
the tools, and a wall mounted strut compressor, as well as access to
an alignment machine.

lemme know if you need help cutting.

im in Suffolk co.


I've met up with v7guy and moots down on Long Island while I was out there for work. Both of them seem to be great guys. I wish I lived closer to forum members, mostly jeep guys up here by me.
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by Tenny » Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:26 pm

drburke wrote:
Tenny wrote:...and the whole kit was 179.00shipped!!


I'm curious where the price reduction is at, production or profits. If it's the former, I'd be weary.. and that's the likely case. From what I hear through the grapevine, Mark doesn't have very much of a profit margin on his products as it is.

Also, the pamphlets don't mean shit. Just because they took some pretty photos and use persuasive language doesn't mean it's their factory or their workers. Advertising can be quite deceptive. For instance, look at Anchor motor mounts for our trucks. Their website swears up and down they're within OEM specs and shows off their production process, how nice, organized, and professional they are and their product is. Yet, it's complete junk.



weary of what...???

the kit is all SOILD machined aluminum pieces front and rear.

I don't EVER seeing this product failing, from what I see its indestructible

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevy-Trailblaz ... 1219425234
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by NC_IslandRunner » Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:30 pm

Opeth wrote:
I've met up with v7guy and moots down on Long Island while I was out there for work. Both of them seem to be great guys. I wish I lived closer to forum members, mostly jeep guys up here by me.


I'm not so sure about those two, I've met them and something just doesn't seem right, Jason is hiding dark secrets under that cowboy hat...




















He's a Alien, I'm sure of it!:mrgreen:
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by Moots1288 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:37 pm

NC_IslandRunner wrote:
Opeth wrote:
I've met up with v7guy and moots down on Long Island while I was out there for work. Both of them seem to be great guys. I wish I lived closer to forum members, mostly jeep guys up here by me.


I'm not so sure about those two, I've met them and something just doesn't seem right, Jason is hiding dark secrets under that cowboy hat...




















He's a Alien, I'm sure of it!:mrgreen:
Atleast I'm not hiding anything under a hat.. No secrets here..
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by mikekey » Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:42 pm

Tenny wrote:weary of what...???

the kit is all SOILD machined aluminum pieces front and rear.

I don't EVER seeing this product failing, from what I see its indestructible

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevy-Trailblaz ... 1219425234


Hope you don't think I'm being an "annoying" member. But you're mistaken. Anything with the proper amount of force applied will break.

This has it's own discussion thread even: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=3361

As happened to myself:

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This is Marks kit which is solid machined aluminum

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I just wanted to give you a heads up. I mention it pretty routinely, I was kind of shocked when it happened to me. But like I said earlier, seems to be luck of the draw. The idea was put forward that a few of the companies aren't producing kits with the same quality that there were. JamesDowning has the same lift as me, and has had it longer and probably done more wheeling, and no problems. One little trip to Moab and mine breaks.

I'm sure you'll be fine just driving around. :thumleft:
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by The Roadie » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:01 pm

Yeah, the issue isn't ever the spacers dying, but the stress of an unrestrained extension (when you go to zero G over even small bump) can overstress the rubber upper shock mount bushing, the transition on the shock shaft from the threaded part to the unthreaded part, or the washer on the very top above the rubber (OEM) or polyurethane (aftermarket) upper shock mount.
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by DirtyBacon04 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:06 pm

My BDS kit did the exact same thing.

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by Tenny » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:14 pm

mikekey wrote:
Tenny wrote:weary of what...???

the kit is all SOILD machined aluminum pieces front and rear.

I don't EVER seeing this product failing, from what I see its indestructible

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevy-Trailblaz ... 1219425234


Hope you don't think I'm being an "annoying" member. But you're mistaken. Anything with the proper amount of force applied will break.

This has it's own discussion thread even: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=3361

As happened to myself:

Image

This is Marks kit which is solid machined aluminum

Image

I just wanted to give you a heads up. I mention it pretty routinely, I was kind of shocked when it happened to me. But like I said earlier, seems to be luck of the draw. The idea was put forward that a few of the companies aren't producing kits with the same quality that there were. JamesDowning has the same lift as me, and has had it longer and probably done more wheeling, and no problems. One little trip to Moab and mine breaks.

I'm sure you'll be fine just driving around. :thumleft:



I hope you don't mind me being blunt with you....

YOUR KIT FAILED, BECAUSE HE USED A CHEAP BUSHING......

MY kit are SOILD pieces, and are simply indestructible....period

your kits has a weak link......CHEAP BUSHING....
I think marks kit is weak (that's why I didn't use his)
I don't see ANY OTHER KIT with SOILD COMPONENTS FAIL......

if my kit ends up destroying my mounts, then that's what happens. and I will replace them
it not the kits fault, ITS OUR FAULT, because we want our trucks high hahaha
we all "deal with the devil" so to speak when we lift our trucks, it is what it is.

and I get what your saying, but my kit is superior to marks...
(if anything....I like marks old kit, less chance of failure)

but our personal quest to GO HIGHER is always formost.

like I said, the proof is there, it is what it is

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by The Roadie » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:23 pm

Tenny wrote:I hope you don't mind me being blunt with you....

YOUR KIT FAILED, BECAUSE HE USED A CHEAP BUSHING......

MY kit are SOILD pieces, and are simply indestructible....period


Please post a pic of the upper shock mount on your design. Would love to understand how we can modify ours to be bulletproof.
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by mikekey » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:25 pm

Okie Dokie then. Well the Radflo's are superior to your kit. Make sure to post up the info, we're all going to want to know how to make sure ours are indestructible. We will all be indebted to you. Thanks. :thumleft:
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by DirtyBacon04 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:27 pm

My curiosity is how is one polyurethane stronger than another? Or are you using a different material for your bushing? The error with BDS bushings was the top washer being to small in diameter and the constant force of full extension eventually will tear into the poly. Then the middle bushing will wear; then the center sleeve will get eaten through by the threads of the shock; once there's no more sleeve, it's into the upper strut mount. I thought we had solved the problem with BDS (in theory) byusing a a bigger top washer...
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by Moots1288 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:31 pm

The radflos are way superior then the supreme kit. Just goes without saying, if you want to talk about anything being bulletproof and even then parts fail.
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by Tenny » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:34 pm

mikekey wrote:Okie Dokie then. Well the Radflo's are superior to your kit. Make sure to post up the info, we're all going to want to know how to make sure ours are indestructible. We will all be indebted to you. Thanks. :thumleft:



no problem kiddo

anytime.

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by Trail X » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:35 pm

mikekey wrote: Then again, others like James have had no problems over multiple years. No one has been able to hammer down a cause yet either. Could just be luck of the draw. Something to check from time to time. Since repairing mine, I occasionally check it. I'm moving to radflo's once they arrive.


Can't really say that anymore, they are finally giving out. Replacement bushings are here, just need time to install them before TECORE.
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by The Roadie » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:36 pm

Waiting for the upper mount pics.
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by Tenny » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:38 pm

Moots1288 wrote:The radflos are way superior then the supreme kit. Just goes without saying, if you want to talk about anything being bulletproof and even then parts fail.



BAHAHAHA

now you silly kids are comparing apples to taxi cabs...

OF COURSE radflos are "way superior" to my $179 aluminum spacer lift kit.
hahahahaha.

its not even in the same universe dude.....are you serious..???

just sayin

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by Tenny » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:39 pm

The Roadie wrote:Waiting for the upper mount pics.



I used factory mounts, what don't you understand...???

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by jonbo2002 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:15 pm

The Roadie wrote:Waiting for the upper mount pics.


Hey Bill, from the link he left it looks like the bushings are aluminum too
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