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by fishsticks » Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:55 am

Plopping this here as a note to myself. Feel free to use for your own nefarious ends. :twisted:

These are close to BDS 55619's in dimension. They are gas charged monotubes instead of hydraulic. (In other words, they're about 100x better.)

24-185783 F4-BE5-6682-H8 Bilstein 5100 Offroad Shock

*Collapsed Length (IN): 16.16
*Extended Length (IN): 26.14

$83.32ea @ ShockWarehouse before discount.


Edit: In 255/70 valving.

33-185552 F4-BE5-6248-H5 Bilstein 5100 Offroad Shock

*Collapsed Length (IN): 15.91
*Extended Length (IN): 25.93


Also available at Low Range Offroad.
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by chevycrew » Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:07 am

For those that play in wrecking yards like me...

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/BSN-2 ... refilter=0

Also looks as the 10" travel 5125 series (just a universal 5100) comes in 2 different valving and is very close to the same length.
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by chevycrew » Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:18 am

The universal 10" travel application comes with 255/70 or 170/60 valving, where the above mentioned shock comes in 195/70.

just to give a few more options...
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by 06MidnightBlue » Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:04 pm

I will DEFINITELY be buying a set come payday
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by fishsticks » Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:10 pm

I don't know why, but I could not (and still cannot) find 255/70 10" travel 5125s on Bilstein's website. Made me assume they were only available in the 5150s.
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by chevycrew » Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:19 pm

http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index.ph ... hocks.html

Here you go! Great company to work with too.
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by fishsticks » Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:32 pm

chevycrew wrote:http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index.php/yotamain/4runner/suspension-parts/bilstein-5125-shocks.html

Here you go! Great company to work with too.



Well played sir. Added to original post.
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by 06MidnightBlue » Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:51 am

So Donny maybe you could point me in the right direction.

What shocks would I need for my rear end? I have Z71's and a RC .75" (soon to be Smaxx 1" ) rear spacer?
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by fishsticks » Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:29 am

06MidnightBlue wrote:So Donny maybe you could point me in the right direction.

What shocks would I need for my rear end? I have Z71's and a RC .75" (soon to be Smaxx 1" ) rear spacer?



Shock choice isn't really the intention of this thread. These are simply (better) alternatives to the BDS shocks commonly used since BDS seems to have fallen out of favor here (questionable warranty handling).

Research and decide what shocks are best for your application. These are one choice in a dozen or so.
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by djthumper » Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:32 am

06MidnightBlue wrote:So Donny maybe you could point me in the right direction.

What shocks would I need for my rear end? I have Z71's and a RC .75" (soon to be Smaxx 1" ) rear spacer?


You answer is in his first post. There are also several other choices posted in the forums.
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by Opeth » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:05 am

Awesome, Haven't been a fan of BDS customer service nor their distributors in my area. However, I wonder if their bottom bushings for our app will swap into the bilstein so we don't have to go the 20 washer route.
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by fishsticks » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:14 am

Opeth wrote:Awesome, Haven't been a fan of BDS customer service nor their distributors in my area. However, I wonder if their bottom bushings for our app will swap into the bilstein so we don't have to go the 20 washer route.



Same bushing type with 14mm holes.
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by Opeth » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:54 am

fishsticks wrote:
Opeth wrote:Awesome, Haven't been a fan of BDS customer service nor their distributors in my area. However, I wonder if their bottom bushings for our app will swap into the bilstein so we don't have to go the 20 washer route.



Same bushing type with 14mm holes.


Perfect!
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by bartonmd » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:15 am

I know it's findable elseware on the site, but the stock extended and compressed lengths may be a good thing to have in this thread, so folks can choose their aftermarket shock based on X-amount away from stock?

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by Opeth » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:05 am

Has anyone snagged some of these yet? Just wanting to hear how they perform.
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by Opeth » Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:23 am

Well anyways.....Guess I'll give them a review when I get them.

Ordered from shockwarehouse.com... The 33-185552 in 255/70 valving. Took about 30 mins of searching to find an active 5% discount code and free shipping.. Much better than the fox 2.0 price gouge, BDS was something like $230 shipped.

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I enjoyed the higher spring rates and good dampeners of my old tuner car ( Tein SS coil overs & Eibach Prokit w/ kyb agx struts).. Hopefully these will keep the z71 springs a little better under control.
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by fishsticks » Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:49 pm

I ended up spending my shock money on a new rifle.

Then I blew up the Yota and had to spend more money.

Tell us how it goes. :mrgreen:
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by Opeth » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:33 am

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These showed up Thursday afternoon, need to buy some sway bar end links since I'm pretty sure mine are shot. I'll have the shocks in there shortly after with my thoughts, I'm expecting a nice firm ride but we'll see
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by Opeth » Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:37 am

Just wanted to update this to inform others about couple things.

I am running Z71 springs, Mark's spacer and the Bilstein 33-185552 10" (255/70) valving.

Ride is fantastic, no bounce, does not feel sloppy or loose. I would compare it to a firm, but not stiff sports car ride. I think the higher valving is these shocks are doing a great job compensating the stiff Z71 springs. I've rode in another TB with the Z71's and it was sloppy/ bouncy compared to what these are doing for me.

One issue tho, I used the OEM bolts and nuts, then cut some spacers/ washers to compensate for the gap in the mounting locations seen below.

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At the same time of install I added the Z71's and had to unbolt the end links to gain enough gap to shove em in, one was stubborn and used an impact to loosen it up, and seemed loose when re- installing. My ride now had a clunk hitting bumps coming from the rear which I assumed was the end links. Everything was tight back there.

Long story short, the factory OEM bolts are too small for the universal 14mm(1/2") bushings Bilstein uses for these 5125's and this high rate of valving. That little bit of difference in gap between the steel bushings of the shocks and bolts was causing a ton of clunking when I hit small bumps/ gaps in the road.

So I bought some grade 8 (1/2")x13-4" long galvanized bolts and 12 1/2" washers.

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Truck is once again silent over bumps.

Also, one 1/2" washer needs to be used on either side of the top bushing to eliminate the gap in that mounting location as well.

The steel bushings I cut are 1.5cm long, 1/2" shock bushing/washers.

Would totally recommend these in replace of the pricey BDS Fox 2.0 shocks. Plus these also come with boots, unlike the fox's.
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by navigator » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:19 am

Cody, you might try running disco-ed in the rear. With the stiffer springs/shocks it might work for you so you don't need to replace the end links.
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